We all know that this is Bob's board, and we can't thank him enough for letting us use it at his expense. But should members be given a "warning" first by the moderators before they are banned or removed?

The results of this poll may be helpful in the future to assist Bob when he has to make his final decisions to remove a member or not. This poll is not indented to influence Bob's decision in any way, but only to let him known how his board feels about the removal of a member. Thanks again Bob for allowing us to post this pole

Cowlitzfisherman

As someone who has been through this myself, here is my take....

I was given ample warning the when it happened to me last year, even though at the time I didn't understand it or necessarily 'get' that I was being warned. It took a few weeks for me to let it go in such a way that I could look back retrospectively and ask myself 'what did I do to make this happen?', in other words to take responsibility for my mistakes and quit blaming Bob or those people that may have complained to him about me.

Does he deserve a second chance? I got one...and I have to say publicly, that goes to show you how truly fair and patient Bob is about these issues. It's not up to us ....

This Bobs website.I will not presume the right through this poll to tell Bob how to run his site.Add a button that reads" it does not matter what we think" and I will vote.

This is the right place to say this. I understand its hard to take any crap from someone on the internet but at the same time they can hide behind there words so people tend to get carried away. Let me give you a different perspective. One of the young people at work was complaing about getting a appointment to get her eyebrows waxed (hang with me you need back ground) I said yea your getting a big unibrow which we both laughed. You a little lator I get a email that was titled heres your pic, I opened it and there was a pic of a jackass(donkey not my real pic) so I decided to replay back with a pic. so I went to google (search engine) and typed in unibrow.....try it see the stupid stuff that comes up, if you can see past that to take offence to anything that is said about you,to you, about your friends.etc etc etc. next time you wont be so easly affended, just roll with it and let the idiots be idiots, all the bickering is a wast of time. theres fish in them there waters so lets get to it.....just the rambelings of a sick sick fishermen stuck at a desk....best wishes to all, even the idiots...thank you for your time ...DJ

Aunty:

Thanks Aunty for inviting me! I had a great time meeting all of the different board members.

It was great to finally put a face to someone's name that you have been writing to or debating issues with. It certainly was a good turn out considering the slow showing of summers that we are now seeing.

I still do hope that I am wrong about our summer runs, and that they will show up in big numbers by July 4th. If they don't; they won't!

H20:

That is exactly why I made this post! It will give Bob and Jerry and any other moderator an opportunity to see how the members feel about serious issues like removing a member from the board. I just thought that Bob could get a good "reading" from this survey that will allow him to make the tuff decisions that a web site owner must make from time to time. I believe that Bob knows that we all get a little "excited" from time to time, but I do not believe that is why he removes a member.

Members can debates issues without making threats or savage personal attacks on each other. We all make our little digs, but there are limits. I believe it's when we pass those limits, that Bob or other moderators need to step in and let the person know that they have overstepped the rules and are warned. If the person continues to abuse the guide lines that we have all agreed to obey, then they should be removed! That's only my opinion, and Bob has the right to do as he feels. I have yet to see Bob remove anyone for an invalid reason.

ltlCLEO:

Did you not read or understand this statement?; "This poll is not indented to influence Bob's decision in any way, but only to let him known how his board feels about the removal of a member." NO ONE has tried to tell Bob how to run his board or his business. This was only meant to be a reading tool for him to use as HE SEES FIT!

Anyway, I do think that Bob will fine this pole to be interesting when it is all over.


Cowlitzfisherman

Possibly, but I don't think its too hard to know when you or someone else is behaving poorly. Sure we all do it once in awhile, but I don't think repeat bad behavior needs special consideration.

Do not know how or why but I have gotten a lot of hate e-mail do to him.

I tried to PM driftboater to ask him if he would even want to come back.
He wrote and replied with some controversial stuff but I can't see where he really broke any rules that were posted by the moderators.

Does anybody know if he can still get a PM?

CFM was at the Cowtilla??? I didn't get a chance to meet him.

Well, I have to say this (being a mod on a couple different fishing boards) that rules are rules. They are listed and to be read when you sign on (when you agree to rules to get your signon password). Some rules will result in harsher punishments depending on what you've done (just like a real life law, which the rules are the law of the board and the mods are the policeman). Second chances can be given, but that's up the Bob (the judge). When it's all said and done, it's up to Bob. But from what I've seen, I saw alot of personal attacks and innuendos (which is fine, but were getting brutal). It's a give and take thing. Bad apples ruin the bunch. And some good info isn't always worth the bad that comes with it. I haven't followed his posts that often, but only seen just a bit. What I saw was bad enough to minimal get him suspended, if not totally banned on a few sites.

Steelheader69

Yep!

I was at he BBQ for 2 ½ hrs on Saturday night from about 5 to 7:30 pm! I would have like to have met you too! The way I remember names (I never forget a face....well almost never) anymore, I probably won't remember if I had been introduced to you or not, but most likely I would have, because you have done well in debating issues with me! :thu bs:

Back to the poll, I don't know what each member has said to each other member because I do not read every thread, but I seem to remember when a member says something about me that I do not appreciate. Must be a defense system that ones build up after many years of being personally attacked!

That often happens when it comes to defending our fishing rights and "privileges". I don't recall driftboater ever personally attacking me, but maybe he did, and I just didn't know or remember it! Anyway, I never send "personal messages" when I disagree with another member; I just give them the best argument that I can to defend my position. :p

Sometimes I win , and sometimes I don't!

I like winning much better then loosing!

I have had my differences with a couple of other members, but we have always seemed to back off one another before the original post deteriorates to that degree. I do recall that Bob locked a thread one time that I was committing on, but I truly don't know if it was me or the other member that triggered that action. I do know that Bob did do the right thing because the thread was getting personal and going nowhere real fast. Now to me, that is the job of being a moderator. Knowing when to jump in is key!

Bob's been around long enough to do what is right for his board, and like most of us, he learns a little more each time he has to make a hard decision. Even those I have never met Bob, he is really a great guy who has done a lot for our fishery. He holds my highest respect, and that only goes to very special few!


Cowlitzfisherman

bob, AuntyM is picking on me.

CFM, I was the guy manning the deep fryer and giving the fly/jig tying lessons (all done next to the Blue Chevy Z71). Don't think I met you though. May have seen you. But was at that cooker all day and most of the night. Had my tying area setup right on tailgate behind the cooker.

There were a number of posts, mainly by me, asking for folks to bring some civility to the board, and I challenged folks to take the positive road and to create something that other readers would appreciate, instead of flaming. Those challenges were a "veiled warning" because I saw things getting worse. Does it really have to be a mod who gives a warning to carry some weight? I don't think so.

I encouraged Driftboater to relieve some stress and change his ways, because I saw he was headed down a path of no return. Notice that my last comment was "Take Care". That was a friendly warning from a person who is not a mod, and many other folks, also not mods, have done the same for other board members when they saw the same inevitable event on the horizon. It just got worse from there.

After some lovely e-mails and private messages, received by me, I had endured enough. I don't regret my post because there has been a big change in the overall demeanor of the board overnight. Does anybody disagree with that fact? Mission accomplished.

Someone else had stated that content is the value of this website. That is 100% true. I know of many long time posters who have stopped posting because they don't want to be flamed for posting some innocent subject that turns into a trainwreck. This leads to less sharing of some of the neat things that all of you out there do. This also turns off the occasional viewers/lurkers who come to the site. These user groups then view the advertising less, and then the advertisers pull their ads. (I don't know if this has actually happened, but it could.)

"Who wants to be associated with Pissytorialpursuits?", as one fisherman told me on the river this year. I do, because it is a great site with great potential. There are so many members who have such a great wealth of knowledge, and if we keep them from posting their techniques and tricks because they don't want to get flamed, the flamers hold back the growth of the site, and they win. You are either part of the problem, or part of the solution. Pick a side. I chose the side to be part of the solution.

I have received warnings in the past, and have learned from them. I have also very openly admitted when I was wrong. I believe the quote was, "What an ass I am!", talking about myself after a bit of research on CFM. Nice to meet you this weekend, by the way, CFM!

If Driftboater makes it back, great. No issue with me. That is not my call. Bob owns the board and we are here because of his efforts and we need to act as guests.

I will do my best to be a good citizen, and to contribute to the value of the board.

Bob, I am sorry for any grief that I may have caused on my part, and I hope that we can all get back to fishing now.

Andy

P.S. Mac and Boater, I am sorry for any grief that came your way. I don't know if I had any direct cause in that, but if I did, you have my sincerest apologies.

I havent checked the board in the last couple days, been doing yard work and fish with no success . Anyway, what was it that driftboater did to get kicked out? I've seen people argue on this board but no to the extent of getting bad enough to be banned. What did he do?

I think DB got banned because Bob had finally had enough of his crap. IMO all he wanted to do was to "stir the pot". He and I had more than our share of run-ins here on the board. In my experience,if you didn't see things as he did,he would resort to acting like a third grader. He accused me being a member of various extremist groups. He turned a bunch of different threads into "pissing contests".He always had some little snide comment to make.

IMO I'm glad he's gone.

I have been wondering also what he did that was so bad. I followed some of the posts he was involved with and there really isnt anything that bad.

I remember one thread on this main page where it was either HPB or Bri24 said some serious stuff towards him, and then it was deleated soon after.

Hey Jerry Garcia, for the benifit of all, could you post some of his examples here of whats acceptable and whats not. It might be beneficial for us all. Just an idea

all you should need to know was covered quite well by Bob himself....

....wasn't it?

Seems that most understand what happened, don't really feel the need to prove anything to you Feather, this is not a democracy.

Sorry for asking Jerry Garcia. I wasn't the only one that was curious.

I just figured that since your the moderator and all, that you could give some examples so it might lesson it from happening to somebody else.
Once again sorry to have bothered you.

Jerry, I don't think feather was asking you to prove anything, just asking for an example. You have to realize, EVERY board is different on content levels and what is acceptible. I know I moderate two boards, and one is a breeze since it's fairly wide open except for REALLY out there rants, the other is very straight and narrow.

From my aspect, seemed more like a nice response from Feather, not a rant. Some really don't know where that line runs.